Sure. I ended up teaching one of my college courses because the professor knew less than I did (and I didn't get paid for it). I think it's more arrogant to accept college professors as being smarter than many of their students. College professors are there to guide students, not teach them. That's the job of K-12 teachers who really are teachers when they're not acting as parents disciplining the kids.You think you might be a trifling arrogant telling a college professor how to teach?I didn't realize a college professor edits student writings, you should only be making comments. It's the student's writing not yours.As a college professor, it's my job to edit student writing. When I have to grade 500 pages of student papers in less than a week at the end of a semester, inserting comments in PDFs is abjectly inefficient. MS Word and insert comments using TextExpander and voice dictation is the most effective way for me to be productive.I always publish my documents as PDFs (which is internally supported on macOS).... though when I send them I don't expect them to be modified. The professor should accept PDFs IMHO -- since it is the most widely supported standard for publishing documents - and he should not need to edit them.
The college professor is right, at least in my limited experience, on the difficulty of editing PDFs. iOS 11 should help. I'm looking forward to the time when an iPad can be used as an input device to a Mac.
No I haven't and I don't plan to. I am not going to pay Microsoft every month for something I hardly ever use. When Office 2011 doesn't work, I'll just use Pages and deal with conversion issues.The reason this is happening is because the school's administrators are (forced to) use Microsoft products because all the infrastructure systems require it. Administrators could care less about the students as long as they get paid. Word is absolutely a stupid way to submit any kind of program submission. Unformatted text (using something like BBEdit) has always been the best way to submit coding since it isn't screwed up my formatting used in any kind of page layout system. I can't see anyone using Pages to submit programs to a professor. Microsoft products are never the best products in any of the areas they sell in but that never matters because corporations and our silly government has too much invested in Microsoft to change for anything better.Increasingly hard to find people who still use Office.
Seriously? I would say exactly the opposite. My daughter took a computer science class and the professor expected the kids to turn their programs in as Word documents. I suggested that she should probably just turn in text files (to avoid the possibility of autocorrect or other nonsense) and she said he specifically said he wanted them as Word. Now that's an extreme example, but, in my experience, from K-12 through to business, the expected document formats are Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. Maybe there is some niche that can get by on Google docs or some such alternative, but that's a niche.
As for Microsoft having issues with they crappy software running under any Apple OS, it's always been this way and will never improve. People forced to use Microsoft Office products will just have to wait until Microsoft figures things out and delivers another half-a** product. Things never change with Microsoft no matter who's in charge.
disclaimer: I've had to fight Microsoft since the early 90's and the current issue is typical.
Have you even used Office365 on MacOS? Microsoft of today is NOT what it was under Bill Gates and MonkeyBoy Ballmer so let go of the 90's hate.
I've been using it since it came out years ago. Office365 of MacOS is finally on the same level as its Windows counterpart. It's stable, it runs great and thankfully, they keep it updated continuously. It's not the 'crappy software' running on MacOS. I'll say that Office 2011 was a steaming pile of horse manure which is was one of the reasons I continued to use Office for Windows. Now, that's all history. When I receive documents created in other suites, I cringe at it. They just don't polish their apps as nicely as Office.
If half of your programs have errors after updating to HS then you have other problems on that computer.Here we go again. Apple is not allowed to update or upgrade its operating system unless it remains compatible with third party software? That’s not how it works.I wonder how much of this because there are just plenty of bugs that need to be worked out of High Sierra versus it being a major change that will require developers to update their apps. I hope it's the former. I have plenty of old apps that still work fine on Sierra that I have no particular interest in upgrading.
Don't put words in my mouth. Should Apple obsess about ensuring every bit of legacy software works on every future version of Mac OS? Of course not. On the other hand, it is a bummer as a consumer when legacy software stops working. If it's just my old copy of Office 2008 that stops working in High Sierra, I can live with that. If half the programs I try to run give me errors after I upgrade to HS, that won't give me a very positive experience. I think Apple does an excellent job on backwards compatibility myself, and I hope that history continues this time around.
Microsoft does have office available as a one time purchase as well. https://products.office.com/en-us/mac/microsoft-office-for-macNo I haven't and I don't plan to. I am not going to pay Microsoft every month for something I hardly ever use. When Office 2011 doesn't work, I'll just use Pages and deal with conversion issues.The reason this is happening is because the school's administrators are (forced to) use Microsoft products because all the infrastructure systems require it. Administrators could care less about the students as long as they get paid. Word is absolutely a stupid way to submit any kind of program submission. Unformatted text (using something like BBEdit) has always been the best way to submit coding since it isn't screwed up my formatting used in any kind of page layout system. I can't see anyone using Pages to submit programs to a professor. Microsoft products are never the best products in any of the areas they sell in but that never matters because corporations and our silly government has too much invested in Microsoft to change for anything better.Increasingly hard to find people who still use Office.
Seriously? I would say exactly the opposite. My daughter took a computer science class and the professor expected the kids to turn their programs in as Word documents. I suggested that she should probably just turn in text files (to avoid the possibility of autocorrect or other nonsense) and she said he specifically said he wanted them as Word. Now that's an extreme example, but, in my experience, from K-12 through to business, the expected document formats are Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. Maybe there is some niche that can get by on Google docs or some such alternative, but that's a niche.
As for Microsoft having issues with they crappy software running under any Apple OS, it's always been this way and will never improve. People forced to use Microsoft Office products will just have to wait until Microsoft figures things out and delivers another half-a** product. Things never change with Microsoft no matter who's in charge.
disclaimer: I've had to fight Microsoft since the early 90's and the current issue is typical.
Have you even used Office365 on MacOS? Microsoft of today is NOT what it was under Bill Gates and MonkeyBoy Ballmer so let go of the 90's hate.
I've been using it since it came out years ago. Office365 of MacOS is finally on the same level as its Windows counterpart. It's stable, it runs great and thankfully, they keep it updated continuously. It's not the 'crappy software' running on MacOS. I'll say that Office 2011 was a steaming pile of horse manure which is was one of the reasons I continued to use Office for Windows. Now, that's all history. When I receive documents created in other suites, I cringe at it. They just don't polish their apps as nicely as Office.
We are talking here about upgrading, but you don't use an upgraded version of Office. In the Netherlands Office is the business standard. I find 100 euro per year not particular expensive for the current offering of Office 365. It's constantly updated, runs on all Apple machines and never crashes. Every student here runs 365 for a student price and nobody is complaining.Honestly, good. Office 2011 for Mac is absolute and utter trash.
Sop you can't call Office 'crap' since you're using a version that is six years old and from a Microsoft that had Apple-haters as CEO. Office 365 is in entirely different league compared to what you're using.No I haven't and I don't plan to. I am not going to pay Microsoft every month for something I hardly ever use. When Office 2011 doesn't work, I'll just use Pages and deal with conversion issues.The reason this is happening is because the school's administrators are (forced to) use Microsoft products because all the infrastructure systems require it. Administrators could care less about the students as long as they get paid. Word is absolutely a stupid way to submit any kind of program submission. Unformatted text (using something like BBEdit) has always been the best way to submit coding since it isn't screwed up my formatting used in any kind of page layout system. I can't see anyone using Pages to submit programs to a professor. Microsoft products are never the best products in any of the areas they sell in but that never matters because corporations and our silly government has too much invested in Microsoft to change for anything better.Increasingly hard to find people who still use Office.
Seriously? I would say exactly the opposite. My daughter took a computer science class and the professor expected the kids to turn their programs in as Word documents. I suggested that she should probably just turn in text files (to avoid the possibility of autocorrect or other nonsense) and she said he specifically said he wanted them as Word. Now that's an extreme example, but, in my experience, from K-12 through to business, the expected document formats are Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. Maybe there is some niche that can get by on Google docs or some such alternative, but that's a niche.
As for Microsoft having issues with they crappy software running under any Apple OS, it's always been this way and will never improve. People forced to use Microsoft Office products will just have to wait until Microsoft figures things out and delivers another half-a** product. Things never change with Microsoft no matter who's in charge.
disclaimer: I've had to fight Microsoft since the early 90's and the current issue is typical.
Have you even used Office365 on MacOS? Microsoft of today is NOT what it was under Bill Gates and MonkeyBoy Ballmer so let go of the 90's hate.
I've been using it since it came out years ago. Office365 of MacOS is finally on the same level as its Windows counterpart. It's stable, it runs great and thankfully, they keep it updated continuously. It's not the 'crappy software' running on MacOS. I'll say that Office 2011 was a steaming pile of horse manure which is was one of the reasons I continued to use Office for Windows. Now, that's all history. When I receive documents created in other suites, I cringe at it. They just don't polish their apps as nicely as Office.
It's probably a combination of bugs in the dev build of High Sierra, and Office. I recently found out that there are fonts that won't work with Office 2011, so the end is near for those apps. Office 2011 was released in late 2010. I think 7 years is long enough for something to work. People who rely on Microsoft Office should stay up to date.I wonder how much of this because there are just plenty of bugs that need to be worked out of High Sierra versus it being a major change that will require developers to update their apps. I hope it's the former. I have plenty of old apps that still work fine on Sierra that I have no particular interest in upgrading.
I have been using Office 2011 for years and have absolutely no problems with it. Finally opening its eyes on non-windows systems? Office 98, 2001, 2004, 2008, and 2011 have been great products on the Mac. I used all of them without any problems. Word 6 was the overall turd of the bunch.Microsoft made huge strides in Office365 on the Mac. It's on par with the Windows version finally.Increasingly hard to find people who still use Office.
Office 2011 was horrible in every way. I purchased it back in the day to get away from Windows, but couldn't wean off of it because of Office. Now, with Office365 on the Mac and stable, I rarely have to ever get into Windows. Microsoft is finally opening its eyes on non-windows systems like MacOS and iOS.
You are making a great deal of assumptions, and inferring a lot of things you have no basis to presume.The whole article is a piece of junk written to be negative about Microsoft for the sake of being negative.
First of all, High Sierra doesn't have any end users. It is for developers and developers only. If you read the article you would think it is a mainstream release or at least public beta.
Secondly, that Office 2016 may not partially work with High Sierra at the moment is because Apple changed things in the OS and the vendors have to adapt. Not Microsoft's wrong doing.
Thirdly, there is nothing to be suspicious about why Microsoft says backup your data before upgrading, which is a typical language used, also by Apple, for any installation .
Last but not least, Microsoft has been open about Office 2011 support cycle. It has nothing to do with High Sierra. Support for Offioce 2011, first released in October 2010, will end in October 2017 on any platform. It is not even certain High Sierra will be generally available by then, and even if it was it would make little sense to make it MacOS 10.13 compatible.
From the title it is clear, the writer either doesn't know the stuff he is writing about and that Office 2011 support ends in a few months for everyone, or he thinks it is was always a possibility Microsoft to release a patch for Office 2011 to make it MacOS 10.13 so that Apple Insider readers can use an unsupported application on High Sierra moving forward.
There are so many things to criticize Microsoft for but not the things this article lists. This article assumes the readers are idiots.
Any evidence that those were written in Xamarin? I think they predate Xamarin embracement by Microsoft. Check the facts before posting 'junk opinions'. As much as I am not big fan of Microsoft (bear in mind I was developer in times their tools were outsanding in '90 and Apple was not even near) I cannot accept some foolish populistic comments like this. Balance it please with some maturity.The problem lies with Microsoft and their Xamarin junk that is used as middleware layer. Propper written native apps wont have any issues.
That is actually very true. It is saving investement and sort of atavism as well. I have been corporate application developer and manager for last 25 years and I have seen this in action. I am trying get educated CTOs and CIOs that it is not neccessarily the best way to go. I have big portfolio of evidence where it fails and why it may be costly. However few changes in Microsoft caused that they have few really leading products with excellent change of philosophy (SQL Server newest approach is example of that, but probably not only that).The reason this is happening is because the school's administrators are (forced to) use Microsoft products because all the infrastructure systems require it. Administrators could care less about the students as long as they get paid. Word is absolutely a stupid way to submit any kind of program submission. Unformatted text (using something like BBEdit) has always been the best way to submit coding since it isn't screwed up my formatting used in any kind of page layout system. I can't see anyone using Pages to submit programs to a professor. Microsoft products are never the best products in any of the areas they sell in but that never matters because corporations and our silly government has too much invested in Microsoft to change for anything better.Increasingly hard to find people who still use Office.
Seriously? I would say exactly the opposite. My daughter took a computer science class and the professor expected the kids to turn their programs in as Word documents. I suggested that she should probably just turn in text files (to avoid the possibility of autocorrect or other nonsense) and she said he specifically said he wanted them as Word. Now that's an extreme example, but, in my experience, from K-12 through to business, the expected document formats are Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. Maybe there is some niche that can get by on Google docs or some such alternative, but that's a niche.
As for Microsoft having issues with they crappy software running under any Apple OS, it's always been this way and will never improve. People forced to use Microsoft Office products will just have to wait until Microsoft figures things out and delivers another half-a** product. Things never change with Microsoft no matter who's in charge.
disclaimer: I've had to fight Microsoft since the early 90's and the current issue is typical.
It's better than 15.34, but like MS said, there are still issues. I expect the 15.35 update was well underway before MS knew about HS and the issues.MS Office on my Mac at work just prompted me to update to 15.35. Hopefully that leaves me ready to go once High Sierra drops.